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Dreamland (Part 1)

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                 ***** Dreamland (aka Area 51-1.ASC) *****
                             November 11, 1989

         ParaNet  Information Service (Denver, CO)--This evening  saw
    perhaps an unprecedented event in UFOlogy.  KLAS-TV in Las Vegas,
    Nevada  has  been airing a UFO special during  the  evening  news
    which began on Monday dealing with the UFO mystery and  cover-up.

         The series,  which  has  been  covered  by ParaNet, began its
    coverage with  a  history of UFOs beginning in the late 1940s  and
    moving forward  through  the  numerous  sighting  reports  to  the
    cattle mutilations,  which was aired last evening.  As promised
    at  the close  of  last  evening's  show,  George  Knapp,  a  news
    anchorman  for Channel   8   in  Vegas,  stated  that a scientific
    person  would  be featured on tonight's program who has claimed to
    work at Area  51, the  government's  super-secret  test  range  at
    Nevada Test Site  at Mercury, Nevada.

         Indeed,  quite a story was told by Robert Lazar,  a physicist
    who claimed  that   he  had  worked  on  a  project  at   Area  51
    involving flying disks provided by alien intelligences.

         Over the last year, ParaNet has carried stories relating  to
    possible  involvement  with the government in  projects  of  this
    nature at the Nevada test site.  Up to now, the stories have been
    of a very speculative nature.  Although the material presented by
    Robert  Lazar  remains unconfirmed, enough information  has  been
    disclosed that ParaNet's large investigative staff in Nevada  has
    started an intensive investigation into this release. Both  Lazar
    (formerly  known  only  as "Dennis") and Lear  have  appeared  on
    Channel  8 -- Lear appearing on numerous occasions together  will
    Bill Cooper discussing Lear's famous 'ET Hypothesis.'

         On a  past KLAS-TV  report,  Lear was shown to have  traveled
    to  locations appearing   to  overlook   the   test   site   which
    purportedly provided  a  good  view of the objects  as  they  flew
    into the night  sky.   Lear attempted  to shoot video of an object
    as it  maneuvered   through the  night  sky  during  last  summer,
    however nothing was  captured  on  the   tape   of  a  substantive
    nature.  Lear also  relates   that   his group  was  harassed by a
    Lincoln County  sheriff   following   his  attempts  to  take  the

         Below  is  a  transcript  of the  program  that  aired  this
    evening.   All paragraphs out of quotes are the narrator  of  the
    segment.   We were as accurate as possible on the  transcription,
    however  there are a couple of places where comments were  edited
    out due to inability to understand what was being said.

         Further  reports  will be provided  as  information  becomes

         We've  been  working  on  the  story  for  some  time....UFO
    researchers  claim that there is a secret government  within  our
    government.  Now this may be hard to believe coming from the  UFO
    perspective,  but  we have learned that Watergate  and  the  Iran
    Contra  scandal  that factions within our government can  and  do
    pursue  their own hidden agendas outside of the law; outside  the
    control of the Congress or the knowledge of the American  people.
    This is exactly the type of operation that we hear about tonight.
    It's  a  chilling scenario with worldwide implications  that  may
    have its roots right here [Las Vegas, Nevada].

         Area 51, that mysterious corner of the Nevada Test Site,  is
    no  longer considered a secret.  The fact that  secretive  things
go on here isn't evident; even to the Soviets who make daily spy
flights over the facility to take a peek at what's going on.
These photos, never before shown in public, are about as close as
anyone will ever come to seeing what the place looks like again.
The dry bed at Groom Lake, the corrugated buildings, a three-mile
long runway and some highly sophisticated radar and detection
equipment. Its been known by many names over the years --
Dreamland; The Ranch; The Skunk Works. If ever there was a place
to test the secret new technology, this is it. And that's
exactly what has been done here for decades.

Area 51 is where Francis Gary Powers and the other U-2
pilots were trained in the 50s. And, where the U-2 itself was
developed. The SR-71 spy plane that spotted Soviet missiles in
Cuba in the early 60s were also developed at 51. 51 is where
Stealth technology was nurtured, where Star Wars devices are
still tested, and where all manner of CIA [unknown] business has
been plotted and refined. It's the perfect place for secret
things, but of course, that's no secret. 51 is ringed by the
forbidden vastness of the Nevada test site; by the looming Groom
Mountain and by sparsely populated desert expanses. But the
people that do live out here have no love lost for the military,
but they're conservative, patriotic and they mind their own

Interviewer questioning a nearby resident of Area 51: "Ever
see something that you can't explain?"

Resident: "Sure, lots of times."

Interviewer: "Care to elaborate?"

Resident: "No." (Laughter).

On any given night at the Rachel Bar and Grill, you might
find three or four people who work at Area 51. They are among
the flowing Budweiser and the cowboy hats. You might find them,
but they are not going to talk to. Not about the things that
they have seen over the mountain. A steady trickle of curiosity-
seekers flows through here; strangers, drawn by strange stories
of lights in the night sky. Their questions also go unanswered.
No one who has worked at Dreamland has ever publicly acknowledged
what so many people have suspected for years: That alien
technology is being tested in the Nevada desert.

The speculation first surfaced in documents obtained by UFO
researchers. Documents about something called Project Aquarius.
The document allegedly prepared for an organization called MJ-12,
states that a program to fly recovered alien spacecraft was

established in 1972 and is continuing in Nevada. The National
Security Agency has confirmed it does have a Project Aquarius but
denies that it has anything to do with flying saucers. NSA will
not say what Project Aquarius is.

Speculation was heightened in 1984, when the Air Force
seized nearly 90,000 acres around Groom Lake. The action was, by
most accounts, illegal. During Congressional hearings about the
land grab, Congressman John Siberling grilled the military about
the legal authority used in the action and was told the authority
was at a much, much higher level than the Air Force.
Siberling asked what authority is higher than the laws of the
United States? The Air Force official said he could respond, but
only in a closed briefing. In 1987, when the Air Force sought to
renew its stranglehold on the Groom range, news articles once
again mentioned the talk about alien spacecraft and subsequent
articles in national magazines quoted un-named sources about
things of alien origin flying in Nevada. Things that would make
film-maker George Lucas drool. Despite the speculation, no one
who knew Area 51 from the inside ever talked publicly about the
saucer story.

Bob Lazar: "Well, there's several uh, actually nine uh flying
saucers, flying disks that are out there of extraterrestrial
origin." The live interview with the shadowy "Dennis" drew
international attention. Portions were broadcast by radio in six
European countries, and in a nationally televised TV special in

Despite numerous inquiries and "feelers," "Dennis" has
remained anonymous until now. His real name is Robert Lazar. A
young scientist with eclectic interests. The choice of "Dennis"
was an inside joke -- he says that's the name of his superior at
Groom Lake. It wasn't a joke to Dennis.

Lazar: "He called right after and said, 'Do you have any idea
what we're going to do to you now?' and I said no, and he hung up
the phone."

Lazar's story is by any standard, fantastic. He says he's
telling it in order to protect himself. He said he was hired to
work in area called S-4 which is a few miles south of Groom Lake.
At S-4, he says, are flying saucers, anti-matter reactors and
other working examples of technology that is seemingly beyond
human capabilities.

Lazar: "Right. This stuff came from somewhere else. I know it
is hard to believe, but it is there and I saw it. I know what
the current state-of-the-art is in physics and it it can't be

Checking out Lazar's credentials proved to be a difficult
task. He says he holds degrees in physics and electronics, but
the schools that we contacted say they've never heard of him. He
says he also worked as a physicist at Los Alamos National
Labs where he worked with one of the world's largest particle
beam accelerators, a half-mile long 'behemoth' capable of
generating seven-hundred million volts. Los Alamos officials
told us they have no record of Robert Lazar ever working there.
They were either mistaken or were lying. A 1982 phone book from
the Lab lists Lazar right there among the other scientists and
technicians. A 1982 news clipping from the Los Alamos newspaper

profiled Lazar and his interest in jet cars. It, too, mentioned
his employment at the Lab as a physicist. We called Los Alamos
again, and an exasperated official told us he still had no
records on Lazar. EG&G, which is where Lazar says he was
interviewed for the job at S-4, also has no record. It's as if
someone has made him disappear.

Lazar: "Well, they're trying to make me look non-existent to the
places that I called...."

Interviewer: "Explain. Called where?"

Lazar: "Well, the schools that I went to; the hospital that I
was born at; past jobs, and nothing comes up with my name on it."

He smiles, but out of futility, knowing the whole thing must
sound ridiculous. According to Lazar, his employer was the
United States Navy. He says he and other government employees
would gather near EG&G, fly to Groom Lake, then a very few people
would get into a bus with blacked out or no windows and drive to

Interviewer: "You get off the bus, what do you see?"

Lazar: "A very interesting building. Its got a slope of
probably about 30 degrees which are hangar doors, and it has
textured paint on it, but it looks like sand. It's made to look
like the side of the mountain that it is in, whether it's to
disguise it from satellite photographs or what...."

He says he was never told exactly what he would be working
on, but figured it had something to do with advanced propulsion.
On his first day he was told to read a series of briefings, and
immediately realized how advanced the propulsion really was.

Lazar: "The power source is an anti-matter reactor. They run
gravity amplifiers. There is actually two parts to the drive
mechanism. It's a bizarre technology. There is no physical
hookups between any of the systems in there. They use gravity as
a wave using wave guides that look like microwaves."

It took awhile, Lazar says, before he actually saw one of
the flying disks, however there were hints everywhere.

Lazar: "Right. They had a poster, and it looked like a
commercial poster, like it was lithographed, like you could buy
it at K-Mart or someplace, but they were all over the place and
it had the disk that I coined the term 'the floor model' which
lifted off the ground about 3 feet out at the area, in the Dry
Lakes area, and the caption on it said 'They're here.' These
posters were all over the place."

Later, he got to see the real thing.

Lazar: "When I was led in, it was the first time that I saw the
'floor model' in the hangar sitting down, and I was told they
could have walked me in the front door but they purposely wanted
to walk me by it. I was told not to say anything and to keep my
eyes forward and walk past the disk to the office area. And I
did. And as we went by it, I just kinda stuck my hands on it,
just to run it alongside the thing and uh ....After that I got to
see actually lift off the ground and operate."

Interviewer: "You actually got to see more than one?"

Lazar: "Yeah. The hangars are all connected together. There
are large bay doors between each one. There were nine total that
I saw, each one being different. Like they had the assortment

Security at S-4 was oppressive Lazar said, and his superiors
used fear and intimidation almost as a brainwashing tool.

Lazar: "They did everything but physically hurt me."

Interviewer: "They put a gun to your head?"

Lazar: "Yeah."

Interviewer: "You mean they actually put a gun to your head?"

Lazar: "They did that even in the original security briefing.
Guards there with M-16s. Guys there slamming their fingers into
my chest, screaming into my ear, they were pointing weapons at
me. Like I said, it's not a good place to work."

That fear factor would surface later. Lazar agreed to
undergo a polygraph exam as part of this report. Polygrapher Ron
Clay asked about the technology that Lazar had seen.

Polygrapher: "Did you knowingly lie when you had actually seen
anti-gravity propulsion in operation?"

Lazar: "No."

The results of this exam were inconclusive. Lazar appeared
to be truthful on one test; deceitful on a second. Clay
recommended that a second examiner be brought in. Polygrapher
Terry Tabernetti (sp?) runs a corporate security operation and is
a former Los Angeles police officer. He put Lazar through four
tests and concluded there were no attempts to deceive.

Tabernetti sent his test results to a third polygrapher who
agreed the results appeared truthful. The charts were then sent
to a fourth examiner who did not agree suggesting that Lazar
might be relating information he'd learned from someone else.
The polygraphers concurred and decided they would not issue a
final statement on truthfulness until more specific testing can
be conducted. And that's where it stands.

Tabernetti believes the difficulty in determining Lazar's
truthfulness stems from the fear that was drilled into him.

Lazar: "Well, I am telling the truth. I've tried to prove that.
What's going on up there could be the most important event in
history. You're talking about contact, physical contact and
proof from another planet, another system, another intelligence.
Thats got to be the biggest event in history, period. And, it's
real and it's there. And I had an extremely small part in it.
I'm convinced that what I saw is absolute proof of that. There
is no way that we could have created those disks. There is no
way we could have made the disks, the power supplies, anything
that goes with it."

Lazar says he has no intention of going on any UFO lecture

circuit. He is not looking to do any additional interviews. In
fact, he was not too crazy about doing this one. He did it after
certain unfavorable things started happening in his life, and he
did it because he feels that whoever is running the show up at S-
4 is perpetrating a fraud on the American people and the
scientific community.


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