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                 ***** Dreamland (aka Area 51-3.ASC) *****

    November 14, 1989

         ParaNet   Information  Service  (Denver,  CO)  --   In   our
    continuing coverage of the Riddle of Area 51, here is yet another
    installment  of  the KLAS-TV program being aired  in  Las  Vegas,
    Nevada  featuring Bob Lazar, who has 'come out of the closet'  so
    to speak with information regarding government testing of UFOs.


         Just  over this ridge [showing a photo of Area  51],  tucked
    inside the test tubes of a hidden government base, the secrets of
    the  universe may be unfolding.  The area is designated S-4,  and
    according to one man who claims to have worked there, S-4 harbors
    scientific   achievements   that  would  astonish   our   deepest
    thinkers.  It is technology that, if it exists, could change  the
    world, but is allegedly bottled up by military minds.

    Lazar:   "It's  not  an overall  government  project.   It's  not
    something that Congress appropriates money for.  2 billion is for
    this; 15 billion for flying saucers; 8 billion for Star Wars.  It
    doesn't  go  like  that.   I don't believe  that  they  have  any
    knowledge of it at all."

         The technology that Bob Lazar says he saw extends far beyond
    flying saucers.  An anti-matter reactor allows the spaceships  to
    produce   their  own  gravitational  fields,  he  says,  such   a
    technology,  if  real, would answer UFO skeptics who  argue  that
    aliens  could  never visit Earth because  the  distances  between
    worlds are too great, even at the speed of light.

    Lazar:  "Gravity distorts time and space.  Just like if you had a
    water bed and put a bowling ball in the middle.  It warps it down
    like  that  -- that's exactly what happens to  space.   Imagining
    that  you  were  in a spacecraft that could  exert  a  tremendous
    gravitational  field  by itself you could sit on  any  particular
    place  and turn on the gravity generator and actually warp  space
    and  time, and fold it.  By shutting that off, you'd  click  back
    and  you'd be a tremendous distance from where you were but  time
    would not have even moved because you essentially shut it off.  I
    mean it is so far fetched,'s difficult for people to
    grasp,  and  as stubborn as the scientific community  is  they'll
    never buy it, but this is, in fact, that's just what happens."

         Actually,  Lazar's explanation is very close  to  mainstream
    scientific thought, and can be traced directly to Einstein.   The
    difference is scientists regard it as theory only.  There is much
    that science still doesn't know.

    Dale  Etheridge (Scientist):  "There are people who say that  our
    main  problem with that is we don't know what gravity  is.   It's
    this magical force that acts at a distance.  We can describe  how
    it  behaves -- that's what the law of gravity is -- it's  just  a
    description  of  how it behaves, but it says nothing  about  what
    gravity really is."

         We'll use Etheridge as our barometer of scientific  thought.
    He says we cannot produce gravity; that there's no such thing  as
    a working anti-matter reactor, and that we have yet to figure out
    a  way  to  get around the speed of  light.   He  also  concedes,
    though, such things are possible.

    Etheridge:   "Yeah.  And really we don't know what's possible  as
    there  could  be other civilizations out  there  several  hundred
    years  or so -- a thousand years, even a million years  ahead  of
    us  -- that have found a way to circumvent this.  We have no  way
    of knowing for sure."

Lazar: "Well, the thing is when you harness gravity, you harness
everything. It's the missing piece in physics right now. We
really know very little about gravity."

At least that's the way it used to be. Lazar says the
technology to harness gravity not only exists but is being tested
at S-4. And, if such technology is beyond human capabilities, it
must have come from someplace else. It's more than conjecture,
he says, because he also saw an element that cannot be found on
the periodic chart. The element, called 115, can be stored in
lead casings much like this one [showing a lead circular
container]. Lazar says the government has 500 pounds of it, and
it cannot be made on earth.

Lazar: "It would be almost impossible; well, it is impossible to
synthesize an element that heavy here on Earth."

Interviewer: "At least right now."

Lazar: "I don't think that you can ever synthesize it. The
amount essentially have to assemble it by bombarding it
with protons if....atom by atom, it would take an infinite amount
of power and an infinite amount of time. The substance has to
come from a place where super-heavy elements could have been
produced naturally.

And what sort of place is that?

Lazar: "Next to a much larger sun where there would be greater
mass. Maybe a binary star system -- a super-nova -- somewhere
where there is just a bigger release of energy to synthesize
these things naturally. It has to be a naturally occurring

115 is the fuel for the anti-matter reactors, he says. By
bombarding 115 anti-matter is produced. A kilo of anti-matter
could produce the energy equivalent of 46 ten-megaton hydrogen
bombs, and comparing the energy potential of anti-matter to, say,
the Hoover Dam would be like comparing planets to grains of sand.
115 could also make one heck of a bomb.

Lazar: "We're talking about hundreds and hundreds of megatons
off a small piece of it. It sounds incredible, but total

conversion of matter to energy would release that amount of
power. And it isn't that difficult to take....get the energy out
of it. So it's not something you'd ever want to fall anyone's

The dangers associated with 115 and anti-matter may be the
reason Lazar was hired to work at S-4. There was an accident, he
says, back in April 1987. An accident that was passed off as an
unannounced nuclear test.

Lazar: "Some people got killed. I was told flat out I was one
of the people that were to replace these guys."

Is this why the government might be keeping the whole matter
a secret? Because of the military potential of alien technology?
Lazar says he believes the Soviet Union was once part of our
research on the flying disks, but that the U.S. kicked the
Soviets out after making some sort of discovery. He also
believes the program at S-4 is operated with funds allocated to
Star Wars research, but says he can't prove it. Some UFO
researchers suspect the government is test flying alien craft so
that it can one day master the technology and claim it was made
in the good old U.S.A., thus obscuring the possibility of alien

Stanton T. Friedman: "I think they have the duty to inform us.
At least to the bare bones of what's going on. I don't want
technological stuff put out on the table. I mean, I worked on
classified projects for 15 years, and I don't think we need
another weapon's delivery system. But I think the government
does have the responsibility to release information that, indeed,
the planet is being visited. Probably it should be done in
conjunction with the Soviets."

Lazar: "I don't think that it will get to that level. They're
not going to have a fleet of them and fly them around and....I
don't think you need to do that. If you're looking at them from
a weapons point of view, you're looking at an incredibly powerful
device. You only need one to operate. You don't ever need to
come public with it. You may want to learn more about it should
it ever break which is....might be what they're doing. Uh...."

Interviewer: "They've got one...."

Lazar: "Oh, they've got a few. Yeah."

Lazar is the first to admit that his story is tough to
swallow. He submitted to polygraph exams that opened up
sensitive parts of his personal life, and fully expects to be
ridiculed or perhaps punished for his revelations. His desire to
explain what really happened at S-4 took us to Layne Keck, a
licensed experienced hypnotherapist who quietly and privately
tried to help Lazar remember details of the many briefing papers
he says he read.

Keck: "I have no clue as to what we were getting to, and he
started saying that there were pictures of what I thought was
desks on the wall. Well as it turned out, it was disks that he
was referring to. And, at that moment, I realized we were into
something that was pretty heavy."

Keck does not exaggerate his claims for hypnosis. He
regards it as a useful tool for uncovering some lost memory. He
says people are quite capable of lying under hypnosis, but says
the technique can be of help in determining truth. What's his
opinion of Lazar's truthfulness?

Keck: "It tells me that his subconscious mind believes totally
all of these things."

Lazar has long suspected that his government employers used
some sort of mind control technique to prevent him from
disclosing too much about S-4. While he says he has vivid
conscious memories of the saucers and other technology there were
other memories, that even now, remained locked, which is why he
sought out Keck in the first place. Keck is convinced that
someone really did mess with Lazar's head.

Keck: "Also they used primitive fear in threatening those in his
environment if he did bring this information forth. Also, it
appears that maybe there were some chemicals used."

Lazar: "Nah, I'm not going to change anyone's mind. That not my
intention. I'm just relaying the experience. The job that I
went through. It is a fantastic thing. It's a fantastic story.
I can't take people there to show them what was going on, and uh,
you know, I don't expect anyone to believe it."

What if he is right? What if aliens are here? How would
this change our view of the world? Our most fundamental beliefs,
which is religion? We'll know more on that tomorrow.


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