(word processor parameters LM=1, RM=70, TM=2, BM=2) Taken from KeelyNet BBS (214) 324-3501 Sponsored by Vangard Sciences PO BOX 1031 Mesquite, TX 75150 March 30, 1990 ***** Dreamland (aka Area 51-3.ASC) ***** November 14, 1989 ParaNet Information Service (Denver, CO) -- In our continuing coverage of the Riddle of Area 51, here is yet another installment of the KLAS-TV program being aired in Las Vegas, Nevada featuring Bob Lazar, who has 'come out of the closet' so to speak with information regarding government testing of UFOs. ================================================================= Just over this ridge [showing a photo of Area 51], tucked inside the test tubes of a hidden government base, the secrets of the universe may be unfolding. The area is designated S-4, and according to one man who claims to have worked there, S-4 harbors scientific achievements that would astonish our deepest thinkers. It is technology that, if it exists, could change the world, but is allegedly bottled up by military minds. Lazar: "It's not an overall government project. It's not something that Congress appropriates money for. 2 billion is for this; 15 billion for flying saucers; 8 billion for Star Wars. It doesn't go like that. I don't believe that they have any knowledge of it at all." The technology that Bob Lazar says he saw extends far beyond flying saucers. An anti-matter reactor allows the spaceships to produce their own gravitational fields, he says, such a technology, if real, would answer UFO skeptics who argue that aliens could never visit Earth because the distances between worlds are too great, even at the speed of light. Lazar: "Gravity distorts time and space. Just like if you had a water bed and put a bowling ball in the middle. It warps it down like that -- that's exactly what happens to space. Imagining that you were in a spacecraft that could exert a tremendous gravitational field by itself you could sit on any particular place and turn on the gravity generator and actually warp space and time, and fold it. By shutting that off, you'd click back and you'd be a tremendous distance from where you were but time would not have even moved because you essentially shut it off. I mean it is so far fetched, people....it's difficult for people to grasp, and as stubborn as the scientific community is they'll never buy it, but this is, in fact, that's just what happens." Actually, Lazar's explanation is very close to mainstream scientific thought, and can be traced directly to Einstein. The difference is scientists regard it as theory only. There is much that science still doesn't know. Dale Etheridge (Scientist): "There are people who say that our main problem with that is we don't know what gravity is. It's this magical force that acts at a distance. We can describe how it behaves -- that's what the law of gravity is -- it's just a description of how it behaves, but it says nothing about what gravity really is." We'll use Etheridge as our barometer of scientific thought. He says we cannot produce gravity; that there's no such thing as a working anti-matter reactor, and that we have yet to figure out a way to get around the speed of light. He also concedes, though, such things are possible. Etheridge: "Yeah. And really we don't know what's possible as there could be other civilizations out there several hundred years or so -- a thousand years, even a million years ahead of us -- that have found a way to circumvent this. We have no way of knowing for sure."
Lazar: "Well, the thing is when you harness gravity, you harness
everything. It's the missing piece in physics right now. We
really know very little about gravity."
At least that's the way it used to be. Lazar says the
technology to harness gravity not only exists but is being tested
at S-4. And, if such technology is beyond human capabilities, it
must have come from someplace else. It's more than conjecture,
he says, because he also saw an element that cannot be found on
the periodic chart. The element, called 115, can be stored in
lead casings much like this one [showing a lead circular
container]. Lazar says the government has 500 pounds of it, and
it cannot be made on earth.
Lazar: "It would be almost impossible; well, it is impossible to
synthesize an element that heavy here on Earth."
Interviewer: "At least right now."
Lazar: "I don't think that you can ever synthesize it. The
amount of....you essentially have to assemble it by bombarding it
with protons if....atom by atom, it would take an infinite amount
of power and an infinite amount of time. The substance has to
come from a place where super-heavy elements could have been
And what sort of place is that?
Lazar: "Next to a much larger sun where there would be greater
mass. Maybe a binary star system -- a super-nova -- somewhere
where there is just a bigger release of energy to synthesize
these things naturally. It has to be a naturally occurring
115 is the fuel for the anti-matter reactors, he says. By
bombarding 115 anti-matter is produced. A kilo of anti-matter
could produce the energy equivalent of 46 ten-megaton hydrogen
bombs, and comparing the energy potential of anti-matter to, say,
the Hoover Dam would be like comparing planets to grains of sand.
115 could also make one heck of a bomb.
Lazar: "We're talking about hundreds and hundreds of megatons
off a small piece of it. It sounds incredible, but total
conversion of matter to energy would release that amount of
power. And it isn't that difficult to take....get the energy out
of it. So it's not something you'd ever want to fall anyone's
The dangers associated with 115 and anti-matter may be the
reason Lazar was hired to work at S-4. There was an accident, he
says, back in April 1987. An accident that was passed off as an
unannounced nuclear test.
Lazar: "Some people got killed. I was told flat out I was one
of the people that were to replace these guys."
Is this why the government might be keeping the whole matter
a secret? Because of the military potential of alien technology?
Lazar says he believes the Soviet Union was once part of our
research on the flying disks, but that the U.S. kicked the
Soviets out after making some sort of discovery. He also
believes the program at S-4 is operated with funds allocated to
Star Wars research, but says he can't prove it. Some UFO
researchers suspect the government is test flying alien craft so
that it can one day master the technology and claim it was made
in the good old U.S.A., thus obscuring the possibility of alien
Stanton T. Friedman: "I think they have the duty to inform us.
At least to the bare bones of what's going on. I don't want
technological stuff put out on the table. I mean, I worked on
classified projects for 15 years, and I don't think we need
another weapon's delivery system. But I think the government
does have the responsibility to release information that, indeed,
the planet is being visited. Probably it should be done in
conjunction with the Soviets."
Lazar: "I don't think that it will get to that level. They're
not going to have a fleet of them and fly them around and....I
don't think you need to do that. If you're looking at them from
a weapons point of view, you're looking at an incredibly powerful
device. You only need one to operate. You don't ever need to
come public with it. You may want to learn more about it should
it ever break which is....might be what they're doing. Uh...."
Interviewer: "They've got one...."
Lazar: "Oh, they've got a few. Yeah."
Lazar is the first to admit that his story is tough to
swallow. He submitted to polygraph exams that opened up
sensitive parts of his personal life, and fully expects to be
ridiculed or perhaps punished for his revelations. His desire to
explain what really happened at S-4 took us to Layne Keck, a
licensed experienced hypnotherapist who quietly and privately
tried to help Lazar remember details of the many briefing papers
he says he read.
Keck: "I have no clue as to what we were getting to, and he
started saying that there were pictures of what I thought was
desks on the wall. Well as it turned out, it was disks that he
was referring to. And, at that moment, I realized we were into
something that was pretty heavy."
Keck does not exaggerate his claims for hypnosis. He
regards it as a useful tool for uncovering some lost memory. He
says people are quite capable of lying under hypnosis, but says
the technique can be of help in determining truth. What's his
opinion of Lazar's truthfulness?
Keck: "It tells me that his subconscious mind believes totally
all of these things."
Lazar has long suspected that his government employers used
some sort of mind control technique to prevent him from
disclosing too much about S-4. While he says he has vivid
conscious memories of the saucers and other technology there were
other memories, that even now, remained locked, which is why he
sought out Keck in the first place. Keck is convinced that
someone really did mess with Lazar's head.
Keck: "Also they used primitive fear in threatening those in his
environment if he did bring this information forth. Also, it
appears that maybe there were some chemicals used."
Lazar: "Nah, I'm not going to change anyone's mind. That not my
intention. I'm just relaying the experience. The job that I
went through. It is a fantastic thing. It's a fantastic story.
I can't take people there to show them what was going on, and uh,
you know, I don't expect anyone to believe it."
What if he is right? What if aliens are here? How would
this change our view of the world? Our most fundamental beliefs,
which is religion? We'll know more on that tomorrow.
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